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State of Delusion Address
Tuesday, 26 January 2010 14:50
Written by steelydad
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Barack Obama speaking at a campaign rally in A...

Let me ask you dads out there.

If your son lied to you once, what would you do?

What if he lied to you two times?

What if he lied even THREE times or more?

What if everything he said turned out to be untrue? Or the promises he made unfulfilled? “Dad, I’ll have the garage cleaned up by Thursday,” but the garage looks to be in even worse condition on Friday.

So again, I ask, what would you do?

Would you express your disappointment?

Would you punish him?

Would you reserve yours trust until he proved himself worthy?

If his lies impacted your quality of life and your safety, would you kick him out of the house?

Maybe. Probably.

Would you accept his excuses that the blame for his derelictions belongs to someone else?

Would you make excuses for him?

Would you praise him?

Would you enable him to continue with this behavior?

Would you reward his behavior?

Would he have any shred of credibility with you?

Probably not.

Do you see where I’m going with this one, guys?

Barack Obama is going to address the nation tomorrow in his first State of Delusion address. It’s an uncontested (if Joe Wilson doesn’t speak what’s on his mind) forum for the president to wax poetic about all of his accomplishments and explain away the shortcomings of his first year in office.

I can already tell you what the speech will entail. Here is a synopsis (that should save you at least an hour or two of your time):

  1. Blame previous administration for anything and everything under the sun.
  2. Take all the credit for things he neither accomplished nor had a role in.
  3. Add more blame.
  4. Accept the praise of 257 sycophants who will give him a standing ovation with every syllable.
  5. Sprinkle some more blame on the previous administration just to make sure it sinks in.

Below is a list of Obama prevarications. I’d like to know who, besides his cronies, can offer a legitimate explanation for these lies. (NOTE: Please don’t use the “moral-equivalent-Bush-did-this-too” argument. Bush certainly made his mistakes but unlike Barack Obama, he did not campaign on a platform of reform, change and a holier-than-thou attitude. To be honest, the moral equivalent argument is old, tiresome and does nothing to explain away these lies.)

  1. No hiring of lobbyists.
  2. Healthcare debate will be televised on CSPAN.
  3. Complete transparency of the government.
  4. Creation of new jobs.
  5. Saving the old jobs.
  6. “Sunlight before signing” pledge.
  7. No earmarks.

And the list goes on and on…

But even more offensive than the shortcomings of his administration is the complete addiction to excuses to explain said shortcomings. Think about it. When has Obama uttered the words, "It's my fault"? When has he not used the previous administration as an excuse when things don't work out according to plan?

So why continue to listen to someone who has done little to nothing, heretofore, of demonstrating a penchant or respect for the truth?

Since when, as a society, did we start accepting from our elected servants anything less than the truth?

Incredibly, in spite of all the lies, there are still those who prefer to look the other way, to live in a constant state of denial rather than acknowledge the truth. There are those who lap up the excuses offered by the president like a hungry feline with a saucer of milk. But excuses and placebos are the same: they do nothing to cure the illness.

And with that, I’ll leave you with one final question:

If Barack Obama was your son, would his first year in office be a source of pride for you?



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peteej
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written by peteej, January 26, 2010
Name one president that stuck to campaign promises because I can't think of any, regardless of party affiliation.
BellaDaddy
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written by BellaDaddy, January 26, 2010
Woo Hoo @daddyfiles...thinking the exact same thing...that you so eloquently put into words...right there with ya...!!
Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 26, 2010
I'd love to keep debating this but I had to take my response down due to my job. Bummer, and I'm not happy about it. I'll watch this one from the sidelines.
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
Peteej,
True, there is probably not a single president who has kept all his campaign promises but I doubt there is one who has broken so many as Obama. No other president campaigned as vociferously as Obama on the notion of the promise of change.
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
DaddyFiles...

Your rant is just that...a rant from a bitter Kool-Aid guzzling liberal who only displays his complete ineptitude, arrogance and lack of intelligence when he opens his pie hole. I'll gladly publish your tirade so that everyone can witness for themselves your disregard for facts and truth. Oh, your job is at stake? Giving up your First Amendment right to free speech is a high price to pay for a job. But I digress.

Oh, I didn't know you were a journalist! I'm so sorry I didn't provided you with the reverence you so richly deserve. Being that you are in a position of reporting the facts to the public in an impartial and unbiased manner must provide you with greater insight into the truth than us common folk.

Let me make sure I'm understanding you. You're arguing that Congress and the president were begging CSPAN to cover the healthcare debate and CSPAN said they didn't want to? Why? Because doing so would conflict with their regularly scheduled programming? That they had something else to cover? You understand what CSPAN is, right? They don't do sports, bro. Their ONLY job IS to cover Congressional debates. So now it's that CSPAN didn't want to air the healthcare debate? That's laughable! I'm not going to waste my time proving the flawed nature of your argument other than to say that CSPAN was dieing to air these "debates." Oh, that's right. There weren't any open floor debates as all the bribing (or as libs like to say "deal making") was done behind closed doors with no "bipartisan" involvement and certainly no cameras. How many times did Obama PROMISE that the debates would be aired on CSPAN? At least EIGHT! Oh, he's the president and Congress doesn't have to listen to him, is that what you're trying to say? I'll grant you this president's record of persuasion is less than stellar (i.e. Olympics, campaigning in Mass, Virgina and NJ, negotiations with China, Iran...all abysmal failures) but even a president like Obama can get CSPAN coverage if he really wanted it. If he couldn't keep this promise, perhaps he should've checked the scope of his executive powers BEFORE making the promise 8 TIMES! You don't have a problem with Obama buying up private industries but for some reason you have a problem with him making a call to CSPAN to ask them to cover this important legislation. I'm sure ANY of the other major networks, including FOX, would've been more than happy to accommodate the president's wishes to air the debates.

Obama's entire campaign consisted of the promise of a more open and TRANSPARENT government! Where were you during the campaign? You never heard him say that? You're kidding, right? Perhaps I overstated with the word "complete" but let's not get bogged down with semantics. For example, just take these shady backroom deals where Congressional leaders are being bribed (with taxpayer money) for their vote on the healthcare bill. Even if he promised a little more transparency he would still be an abject failure as this administration is less transparent than perhaps any in history. Would you accept this kind of deal making if it was a Republican president? Yea, right!

Brother, I'm not sure you understand the definition of hypocrisy but it does not mean predicting the outcome of a future event. How do I know what this speech will entail? Just as I know the sun will rise in the east and set in the west: because I've seen it happen a 100 times before.

A broken promise, or a lie, can be committed in one day, one year, one term. If he promised that he wouldn't hire lobbyists, for example, and he hires a lobbyist, he broke that promise be it on the first day of his term or his last. So, the one-year argument you whine about does not apply to the lies I listed. I did not list issues the outcome of which we do not yet know, like the closing of Gitmo or the promise of reducing the deficit in half (which, since he more than quadrupled it, shouldn't be too difficult, even for him). The lies I listed are the ones that have already been broken. Even he admitted to Diane Sawyer that they lost many more jobs (in the neighborhood of 7 million) than they created and/or saved (which I'm not really sure how you calculate a "saved" job). (cont.)
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
(cont.)

It's obvious you missed the point of my post. I never said Obama didn't make everything better (even though he promised he would). I made a carefully constructed list of very specific promises that he broke. I asked readers, more specifically Obama supporters, if they could justify these lies. They are lies. Spin it anyway you want, or answer a question that was never asked, but they are lies. LIES. And you not only accept the excuses, you make up a few (however misguided or inaccurate they are) of your own. This is what I find more frustrating than anything else. Admit the man lied and move on. Is that so difficult?

You never answered it directly but I can assume from your response that you'd be one of those dads who would praise his son if he lied. Got it...one for praising a liar!
BellaDaddy
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written by BellaDaddy, January 27, 2010
I dont know why, or how, but I continue to let myself be surprisd by the "debates" on here...here we have, yet again, name calling and attacks on personal beliefs. Not to mention Children, being brought into the fold as examples of integrity? I suppose it is all fair game, but, I think apologies are due here...and Respect!
Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 27, 2010
steelydad,

Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I won't be commenting on anything political. And yes, losing some of my 1st Amendment rights is a high price to pay and I'd like nothing more than counter your "points." Maybe some other time or in private.

However, the one thing I will comment on is your last statement. You said "I can assume from your response that you'd be one of those dads who would praise his son if he lied."

You're a fucking asshole and you have shit for brains. Seriously, fuck you. Who the hell do you think you are?? We're in the middle of a political discussion and you attempt to bring my parenting into question?? Not only doesn't it make sense, it makes you look like an even bigger arrogant prick than everyone here already thinks you are.

My support for a political candidate has absolutely no bearing on my abilities as a parent. And to try to draw any parallels that suggest otherwise is folly. It's one thing if you want to attack my political beliefs. I don't care about that. But when you call my role as a dad into question you go too far, not to mention you're dead wrong.

That'd be like me saying your kids will obviously be raised as Nazi, hate-spewing, war-mongering deviants. However, unlike your classless self, I'd never resort to personal attacks on any father here simply because their political beliefs differ from mine.

Think about it you ignorant jackass. You just attacked my parenting because I don't agree with you about President Obama. If you want to know what's wrong with this country right now, TAKE A LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR DIPSHIT!
sexandthesingledad
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written by sexandthesingledad, January 27, 2010
(Please read this to the tune of "Whoomp there It Is" by Tag Team...

"Douche there he is. Douche there he is..."
Joeprah
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written by Joeprah, January 27, 2010
I would take pride in Barack Obama if he were my son. First, dude's president. That's like way braggable. Second, he is the first black president and that would be a pretty cool accomplishment for any son of mine considering that I am white--which would mean he would have also been the first adopted president.

As for the politics here, lets not confuse politicians with people who get things done. I would much rather put Joe or Jane average guy in office and surround him with the best and brightest instead of a groomed politician. We all know what we are getting--corruption personified. I have been around long enough to see it at every level of government and I am only 34. Barack, Bush--it's all the same to me. Two parties playing for the same team--lobbyists. As soon as either party starts getting real or as soon as another party enters the fray then I will become interested. Until then it's business as usual for those guys. I want them all out of office. So, yes--I am a cynic when it comes to politics. smilies/grin.gif
Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 27, 2010
Joeprah, I'm wondering why my response didn't post.

Seeing as how Capt. Conservative decided to turn a political debate into a personal attack involving my parenting and my son, I was hoping to have my response published.

First of all, I would punish my son for lying. But I wouldn't disown him or kick him out of the house for it. I'd address it, try to correct it and hope for the best. As I said, I can't talk about politics but if you have half a brain (which is a stretch in your case steelydad), you can connect the dots to Pres. Obama in that regard.

All I have to say is you can say what you want about me, but I would NEVER have resorted to attacks on the way any dad on this site takes care of his kids. Politics is one thing, but leave the kids out of it. And steelydad, even you should know better than that. You went way over the line, you were wrong, and you didn't even make sense.

But I guess that's just par for the course.
Hossman
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written by Hossman, January 27, 2010
I'd like to first note that this is AtHomeDad's wife, logging in from his account, so please don't attribute my feedback to him (not that he would mind), but let's do so for the sake of (gasp!) transparency.
My goodness, SteelyDad, I can see the rage vibrating off the page. First - yes, let's not compare the president to your anti-chore kid. How many "promises" did you break when you were a kid? And as an adult? Totally different arenas, so please separate and not use hyperbole to make a point. It denigrates the debate.
There are (at minimum) two sides to every story and in politics there is no truth - suppose Obama had called CSPAN and insisted that they carry the debates? Someone would have accused him of using his executive influence on a non-partisan company to sway the public in his favor.
The reason there is such anger across the board has little to do with party affiliation and more with general cynicism of almost all politicians. Try as we might to hide behind bluster and adjectives ("abysmal failures" - can you really measure an "abysmal failure" versus a "failure"?), we cannot anyone of us say with truth in our hearts that "our guy" was a better guy - some are just better at marketing.
And the reason you are so sure about what you are going to hear at the State of the Union - that you've heard it "100 times"? That's because once a year for the past 25 years we've been presented with a Oscar-worthy show of "look at me" by presidents of all parties, so no use pointing fingers there.
And to bring it all back home - if every year you were given a soap box to talk about yourself to your boss, would you try and highlight your positives or would you say "Sorry, boss. I messed up this and that and f-ed that one pretty severely." Not saying that you wouldn't be honest and a 'buck stops here' sort of guy, but really?
There is no one man that can solve our problems or cause our problems, so there is no use raging on either side of the aisle.
Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 27, 2010
Hossman: Look here. This space is reserved for finger-pointing, hyperbole, blanket statements and generalities. Yet here you are, strutting around with your common sense and even-handed approach. Walking on eggshells with landmines exploding all around you.

There's no room for that here. Pick a side and arm yourself!smilies/wink.gif
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
I just want to get this straight:

I write an article about the disappointing state of affairs in our country and how Obama (“One Big Ass Mistake, America”) has continually gone back on his promises and lied, repeatedly.

My post was to provoke the thought about how we, as fathers, would treat a similar situation in our households with our own children if they lied repeatedly.

Would you continue to make excuses for their transgressions? Would you continue to believe their promises?

That’s it. No more, no less. I was curious to find out why, or if, we hold our current leadership to a different level of expectations than those we are trying to mold into productive members of our society---namely, our children. How would we handle lying on the literal home front vs. the political home front?

So, out of respect for Daddyfiles’ private request, I did NOT publish his political tirade against me (which contained personal attacks a plenty) but I did want to outline some details about his general argument. It appears that my last line is what has upset Daddyfiles and to which some seem to be up in arms about.

Here is what I said:

“You never answered it directly but I can assume from your response that you'd be one of those dads who would praise his son IF he lied.” (Emphasis added.)

I did NOT call his son any names, nor did I insult anyone’s parenting choices. I just concluded that from his acceptance of Obama’s propensity for lying to the nation, he would also share the same tolerance IF his son had lied. Many parents do not find lying reprehensible; there are many who also make excuses for their children. There are parents who they themselves defend their own lies, and those of their children, as “white lies.”

I am curious to know from all of you if you find Daddyfiles response to me as reprehensible as you find my post:

Here are some direct quotes from Daddyfiles.

“All you did was showing what a classless, spineless little prick you are.”

“You're a fucking asshole and you have shit for brains. Seriously, fuck you. Who the hell do you think you are?? We're in the middle of a political discussion and you attempt to bring my parenting into question??”

(*Please note that my post WAS ENTIRELY about the parallels of politics and parenting)

“Not only doesn't it make sense, it makes you look like an even bigger arrogant prick than everyone here already thinks you are.”

“But when you call my role as a dad into question you go too far, not to mention you're dead wrong. That'd be like me saying your kids will obviously be raised as Nazi, hate-spewing, war-mongering deviants.”

“However, unlike your classless self, I'd never resort to personal attacks on any father here simply because their political beliefs differ from mine.”


This last line of his is ripe with poetry. Does anyone else see the irony in his attempt to gain a moral high ground by asserting the things he would NEVER do but then goes on to do those exact things he condemns?

“Think about it you ignorant jackass. You just attacked my parenting because I don't agree with you about President Obama. If you want to know what's wrong with this country right now, TAKE A LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR DIPSHIT!”

I’d like to know if the above comments from Daddyfiles are appropriate and commensurate with the statement I made, “You never answered it directly but I can assume from your response that you'd be one of those dads who would praise his son IF he lied.” Is this acceptable?

Oh, and by the way I’m Jewish. My father-in-law is also a Holocaust survivor so raising my children as Nazis would be quite a feat, don’t you think?
Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 27, 2010
Give me a break steelydad.

How can you possibly compare the President to how we treat our sons and daughters? There is no comparison. It's not even apples and oranges, it's apples and fire hydrants. You honestly think any meaningful parallels can be drawn between how we treat the President of the United States if caught in a lie, compared to our children?!?!?

At least be honest with everyone and cop to what your post was. It was a political rant against President Obama. And that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But own up to it, don't try to idiotically hide behind some B.S. rhetorical question about parenting that doesn't make one iota of sense.

I went on the attack and defended myself after you needlessly incorporated my son and my parenting into this. You told me I would praise my son for being a liar. And you came to that conclusion because I said I'd give President Obama another chance. So because I'd give the President another chance, you somehow conclude that I'm a parent who encourages my son to lie and rewards him for it? Do you see yet, how ridiculous your comparison is? I only defended myself when attacked, and I stand by every word of it.

Also, I see you re-published my original reply even though I unpublished it. Please take it down. The reason I took it down in the first place is because it was noticed by people at my work and I've been told not to engage in political arguments online anymore. So for the second time, please remove it. I sent you a personal message so we could remove this dialogue from the public pages and keep it private. But apparently you feel like carrying on like this.

However, as you can see, it's not just me who's taken aback. Perhaps if you'd stop and take a look around, you'd realize the error of your ways. But judging from past experiences with you, I'd say this is highly doubtful.

Daddy Files
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written by Daddy Files, January 27, 2010
PS -- As if this comparison of yours didn't make enough sense, as a father I propose the following actions should be implemented should the President of the United States be caught lying:

1) Put him in a timeout and tell him to think about what he did
2) Ground him and take away the keys to Air Force One for a whole month
3) Spank him

Wait...what's that? Huh? Oh that's right, we're comparing THE PRESIDENT OF THE FREE WORLD TO HOW WE DISCIPLINE OUR YOUNG KIDS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!

Oy...
eyesofbabes
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written by eyesofbabes, January 27, 2010
Wow. Let's image our kids judging us, not the other way around. When they log onto the internet and read what Daddy wrote, what would they think? What lessons are we providing? Not juding, just asking as food for thought.

Now for the politics. I am sorry to see DaddyFiles political voice disapear becuase I always find his comments insightful and wise.

First of all, conservatives may complain about liberals constantly pointing out the mess Bush left but, it doesn’t change the fact that he left it. Cleaning up eight years of mess takes more than a year and Obama himself warned of us that many times.

He has acomplished things - fair pay for women, his stimulus bill, although not good enough, did halt the freefall and we are seeing positive results, and, he has taken health care farther than any president ever. In the face of the most obstructionist Republican party in history, that, in itself should be lauded. The health plan is not popular as most conservatives will point out but, they neglect to specify that 70% of the people who disapprove, do so because they want it to go farther and include a robust public option among other things. I will stop here to keep it short but I could go on.

Let's address transparency.
1. Memo directing executive branch agencies to come up with concrete plans to make government more transparent, participatory and collaborative on his first day!
2. Reversed Bush directive to make government officials cautious about releasing information under the Freedom of Information Act, declaring that the presumption should be toward openness.
3. Began releasing electronic logs of visitors
4. Releasing financial disclosure information for top government officials
5. You want transparency, check out Data.gov
6. You want transparency check out Recovery.gov
7. The Open Government Directive (which is in process with a deadline!)
Certainly, he needs to go farther and most actions he has taken are just beginnings which must be followed up and made them permanent.

Not taking blame? Where have you been?
He took blame for the Terrorist attack attempt on X-mas, the AIG bonuses, exempting some of his administration from strict ethics standards, the fact that there isn’t enough job creation and much much more – you want direct quotes? I could give them. He has taken blame all over the place and I will bet he’ll do it tonight as well.

It always amazes me how both parties will play hard ball or, in this case, not play ball at all and then accuse the president of the opposing party of playing unfair because he is forced to find any way he can to get things done if he wants to get anything done. Obama has volleyed into the other court constantly, put the ball in play numerous times and the conservatives haven’t even picked up a racket. Most of them just sit there with their arms crossed lobbing insults and propaganda about gourmet mustard and Teleprompters instead of returning volleys. So, it isn’t that Obama didn’t do what he said; it’s that he couldn’t while trying to remain idealistic and bipartisan.

I have many criticisms of Obama, but I fault him most for being too idealist and a little too naïve in underestimating the conservatives resolve to be obstructionist and negative.

By the way, Bush did run on a promise of bi-artisanship which he trashed from the get go. Obama has made many attempts to fulfill that promise, although most have been unsuccessful.

I do support Obama but I am not a sycophant. In fact, noticeably, most of the real concrete criticism of the President has come from his own party. I too, don’t feel he has gone far enough or been tough enough. I also think he made promises that he couldn’t yet fulfill and he has done some things I do not like, including concessions and deals with moneyed entities.

But, like DaddyFiles, I am not going to kick him out but let him learn lessons and trust that he will fix the problems.
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
Daddyfiles, I didn't re-post your comment. How would I (with your avatar)? I do recall you asking Joeprah why your comments weren't published. You might want to ask him. Maybe he misinterpreted your inquiry as to why your comment wasn't published as you wanting your comment to be published??? But of course, I am only speculating.
sexandthesingledad
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written by sexandthesingledad, January 27, 2010
C'mon guys.... Here you are being all serious and stuff. Can't we just make fun of people and get on with our lives?
steelydad
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written by steelydad, January 27, 2010
Eyesofbabes,

I don't have much time to go into too much detail but here are the facts. I realize it's probably a waste of time but in any case...

1. Obama took more than THREE days to respond to the Christmas terror attack and when he did have to respond, he did so reluctantly as it was interrupting his vacation. This after members of his admin went on the record trying to assure us that the system "worked fine." Feel free to shoot a direct quote but I recall him saying that this was a failure with the bureaucracy, the one for which he is responsible. Kind of different than taking responsibility for the act itself. However, more egregious than his response (or lack thereof) is his mirandizing of enemy combatants. Interestingly enough, neither HLS, TSA, FBI or the CIA knew of this action. The only department that knew the terrorist would receive the AMERICAN CITIZEN RIGHT of habeas corpus? The Justice Department. Since when is dealing with terrorists a criminal justice issue and not a homeland security, ? Oh, that's right, when Clinton was in office. Again, I don't have time to go in how deep this goes but feel free to Google it yourself.

2. Please remember that Congress was controlled by the Dems after the '06 midterm elections. If you're going to say that Obama inherited all of Bush's mess then the same line of logic can be used to argue that Bush inherited all of Clinton's mess, namely, 911, which happened, not 1 YEAR but 9 months after he was inaugurated. Obama has the White House, an overwhelming majority in Congress (including a filibuster-proof Super Majority in the Senate) and a sympathetic supreme court. In politics, that's called a 'magic wand."

3. All of that "transparency" is window dressing. I'd like to see the "debates" that took place on the reform bill that will impact 1/6 of our economy. Where's that transparency? And really, being transparent is like pregnant: you either are or you are not. Just like you can't be half pregnant, you can't be half transparent.

4. How many GOP senators were in those backroom meetings? How many of them received illegal bribes with taxpayer money to buy their votes? Were they not invited because they weren't, as you contend, willing to play ball? The GOP has issued an alternative to many of the bills going through the Democratic-controlled Congress. A significant one is with respect to healthcare. It addresses the "competition" clause by opening up competition between states. Greater competition will mean better prices. But you don't hear about that, do you?

Please show me that poll that demonstrates that people are against this healtcare bill because it doesn't go far enough. You must understand that the majority of U.S. voters are right-of center, not, as many liberals will content, left of center. That's just a simple but incontrovertible fact. But you're saying that hardcore blue states like NJ, VA and most recently MASS (and remember, MASS already has a "universal" healthcare program so if they're so happy with it, why'd they vote for a guy who is going to vote against it?), voted out big-government proponents because they didn't go far enough so they actually voted for people who ran on smaller-government platforms? Huh? Scott Brown ran exclusively on being the one vote to STOP Obamacare. So all these people, upset that these liberals weren't going far enough actually rewarded the GOP by voting them in? As if that was going to get them closer to their utopia? I guess you feel the 1994 midterm election, after the Clinton attempt to reform healthcare failed, the public rewarded the "obstructionist" party (i.e. the GOP) by voting in their Congressional majority, and in the House for the first time since '52? OOOOOOOK. Interesting logic there. This is the same argument I hear when government oversight on private industry fails: we didn't have ENOUGH oversight. That's like saying "I added gasoline to the fire, it didn't put it out, so I added MORE gasoline."

Fact is, liberal candidates are losing entrenched Democratic districts and states NOT, as you contend, because government hasn't gone far enough; it's because government has gone too far. Government never creates wealth or jobs; that's all done in the private sector. Any "job" that the government "creates" is done how? How is a government employee paid? Through supply, demand and profit? Nooooo. Through tax dollars. And how are tax dollars created? Through the private sector's profit. Don't forget that.

I'd really encourage you to read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg if you'd like a more comprehensive look at liberal/conservative philosophies and their roots.
eyesofbabes
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written by eyesofbabes, January 28, 2010
Luckily I don’t take things personally but let’s keep this civilized.

I am not going to go into a long winded response to all of your points. As you pointed out, it would be a waste of time and, I’d rather save my cogent arguments for blog posts and possibly for people who might consider them. But, I will address a few.

I think, to people reading your points, the counterarguments are quite obvious.

But, to answer your questions, yes, I have heard about the GOP response to healthcare. In fact I mentioned it in a previous blog post. It is based on false a*sumptions, mainly that profiting off health and life is morally sound, secondly that health care is a commodity like any other, when it is not and the health care industry follows the same economic rules and laws as other industries, which it doesn’t and, finally, that large corporations are concerned with more than the bottom dollar and making more of it, which they are not. It does absolutely nothing to address the main problems people want addressed - being denied coverage, being priced-out when you get sick and being forced into bankruptcy with co-pays and deductibles. That is because insurance companies have a*sured us that is their business model so why would they change it unless forced to?

But, the specifics of this would be better suited to a blog post.

You asked to please show you that poll that demonstrates that people are against this healtcare bill because it doesn't go far enough.

Rasmussen poll: While most Americans oppose the plan, two reforms in it are supported by more than 70% of the public -- creating a new national insurance exchange and requiring health insurance companies to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions. – The main things the democrats wanted.

You said that I must understand that the majority of U.S. voters are right-of center, not, as many liberals will content, left of center.

Actually it is just the opposite. There are millions more registered Dems than Gop’ers. I realize that doesn’t mean too much because there are also many independents and unregistered voters probably outnumber both parties. But Bush never won a popular majority of voters and it is questionable whether he even one an electoral majority. Obama is the first President in eight years to have a popular mandate – to not only win the electoral collage but also the popular vote, and, by a large margin. And, the people also voted in a super-majority of Democrats as you pointed out.

In NJ, the democratic candidate was incredibly unpopular, yes. But,
“Voters in both states remained strongly supportive of President Obama, exit polls conducted by Edison Research showed, though they said that was not a factor in their decisions.” Maybe you didn’t hear that.

And, lest we forget, Doug Hoffman, the candidate backed by conservatives icons such as Limbaugh and Palin lost to Bill Owens in New York.

And, in MA, the democratic candidate not only ran a poor race but since, as you said; they already have universal health care, getting it for the country was not their main issue, although it should have been.

And, it is independents who are punishing the president for the most part if anybody is. The same independents who voted him in and have, apparently, no loyalty to a party, left or right.

So, how do you suppose U.S. voters are right-of-center? Being louder doesn’t increase your numbers.

Certainly, private and public have to work in tandem. n*body is suggesting the private sector is not important. But, there needs to be a balance. Conservatives think letting industry run free and be all powerful is the answer. Well, certainly we witnessed the lack of benevolence of the mortgage industry as they lent to people they new couldn’t pay back with terms they knew were insane just to turn a quick buck. We saw the wisdom of the unregulated auto and bank industries as they based their long term plans on short term profit. Greed is not something we want running our country. There is a middle ground.

I do read the other side sometimes and think about what they have to say and so, I have read pieces by Jonah Goldberg but, I can only take it in small doses.

But, in honor of a great man and a great thinker who we lost today, I’d suggest everyone pick up a copy of Howard Zinn’s “People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present”

Please don’t be offended if I don’t respond to any further posts. I will let you have the last word if you so chose.
BellaDaddy
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written by BellaDaddy, February 02, 2010
Geez, I keep coming back and reading...this truly was an active post...Cheers to ALL!

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